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Title: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: newton on April 25, 2019, 01:22:31 PM
Hello,

There is a bug on "load NEO GEO CDZ game" because when you select a game, there are a message "FB Alpha Error : Couldn't initialise CD emulation". (see the file)

and is it possible to add another directories "neogeo CDZ Games" for "Neo Geo cd (World)" and for "Neo Geo cd (Japan)" Trurip version ?

and another bug "on AdvanceMAME scale 2x" (see the file)

Thanks
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: Gab75 on April 25, 2019, 01:51:41 PM
Hi newton!

1) For a correct Neo Geo CD emulation you need to put neocdz.zip and neogeo.zip archives inside the ROMs folder.

2) You can try to install "DirectX End-User Runtimes (June 2010)" from the official Microsoft website: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=8109
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: Fulg0re on April 25, 2019, 01:57:50 PM
That's exactly what I did.
The latest cdz bios into the same folder as
the extracted games. Do not have any problems.

Regarding the direct x runtime.
I found a official dataset which fits perfect to
all emulators. So if somebody still have trouble
let me know.
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: Fulg0re on May 01, 2019, 02:28:36 AM
I don't know if this is the right place for a issue like this
Yesterday I played lots of Kof on NEO Geo AES and CDZ.
On both systems when using Chang there are two things
which were different to original games on original hardware.
When Chang is doing his final move and charging it while hitting himself with his steel ball in his face. This is too slow compared to original. Also when he is performing his throw. He will catch the opponent and pulling him over himself from side to side. This is also way to slow. No effect when boosting CPU.

Anyway... All the CDZ Versions do have so great music and thanx to great engeneering it is possible to use CD Player for playback the trax ❤️

Edit: One more thing. How do I have to set the CDZ so I do have on any game which supports blood blood? And how to save settings?
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: dink on May 02, 2019, 09:26:55 AM
Fulg0re,
if you can get me 60fps video of this effect on both FBA and Neogeo (hw) " sidebyside " so I can see what is really going on, I will try my best to fix the issue.  I know it will take work to do this, but it won't be easy for me either.

best regards,
- dink
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: Fulg0re on May 06, 2019, 02:35:27 PM
Hi.

Today I played art of fighting 1.
There are some weird sound failure especially on
Kings piano stage when casting a fireball.
When choosing the bonus stage where you have to chop
the bottlenecks game freeze.
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: dink on May 06, 2019, 07:58:03 PM
Hi.

Today I played art of fighting 1.
There are some weird sound failure especially on
Kings piano stage when casting a fireball.
When choosing the bonus stage where you have to chop
the bottlenecks game freeze.

art of fighting I don't understand very well, Please can you give me a savestate to get to this part.  (before bugs happen)
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: Fulg0re on May 07, 2019, 12:41:05 AM
So you need the 2 Configfiles from the game.
I will play the game and save the file before king stage.
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: dink on May 07, 2019, 08:40:56 AM
So you need the 2 Configfiles from the game.
I will play the game and save the file before king stage.

Fulg0re, yes, and savestate (most importantly) :) 
Last night I tried hard to get to the places you mentioned, but I didn't have any luck.

best regards,
- dink
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: Fulg0re on May 07, 2019, 08:53:04 AM
Maybe it is something about overclocking  CPU?
I runn all aes games on 200% And some on 250 %
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: dink on May 07, 2019, 09:39:22 AM
Hmm, I duno - please try with 100% mode :)
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: Fulg0re on May 08, 2019, 12:44:10 AM
HI

i added the rar. Inside there are 4 Files.
Aof settings and FBA settings in 100 and 200 % CPU Mode.
If you need something more let me know.

I forgot...
It is saved on King Stage. You have to clear her until you reach 2nd Bonus Stage. Select there the bottleneck chop.

On 100% I also have the sound and freezing issue.
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: dink on May 08, 2019, 01:03:20 AM
Fulg0re,
I need the savestate files, though :)
rar file only has ini files.

savestate file is .fs.  if you use F10 or gamepad button to save state, it will be under fbalpha directory/savestates, with name:
"ngcd_aof slot 01.fs"

or if you use "Game -> Save States -> Save state", save it anywhere ;)

best regards,
- dink
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: Fulg0re on May 08, 2019, 04:46:37 AM
Ah I see

OK. When I am at home I will create 2 files.
100 and 200 % CPU.

CYa
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: barbudreadmon on May 08, 2019, 06:08:06 AM
On 100% I also have the sound and freezing issue.

It might be related so i'll share the information : a few years ago someone reported an issue with aof3 (MVS), the issue was related to overclock and it wouldn't disappear when going back to 100% without also removing the related .fs file.
My point is that overclocking once can "corrupt" eeprom files, and it won't go back to normal if you simply set normal clock again.
Imho, setting everything to 200-250% is a mistake, i think only a few games "benefit" from overclocking (mslug2, maybe twinspri ? i don't know of any other game having severe slowdowns on original hardware), and i also prefer keeping the slowdowns of the original hardware (did you ever play the DC version of twinspri without the slowdowns ? It's f***ing hard xD, i'm wondering if the slowdowns weren't there on purpose).
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: Fulg0re on May 08, 2019, 08:22:10 AM
Hi there and thanx for the fast replys...

Well ive been playing Neo Geo Games on FBA since 2 and a half years.
I overclock most of aes emu roms up to 200 % without any problems.
If something will crash... well backup is the key :D
Especially on AoF 2 i have a great benefit when OC up to 250 % ..
I play the Games mostly on CRT without any Laag. But sometimes i
play on my LCD. I have a very fast panel but on AoF 2...For months
i was way to slow or to fast or to dumb whatever to perform the
Super Death Blow. Either on the Bonus round nor during a fight.
Than just for fun i OC the Game up to 250 % and hell yeah i can
blast the foes away with the Super Death Blow.


P.S. Neo Geo CDZ is so f***ing amazing.
The Music in most of the games are so freaking awesome !
At the moment i be playing all the KoF Games. Wolfgang Krauser Stage on KoF 96
WOW what a atmosphere !!! i love callsic music and in WK Stage the Score fits so perfect !


ATTENTION

I cant upload the 2 Savestates. A message says that the file is to big ... It is 4 MB
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: Gab75 on May 08, 2019, 08:24:09 AM
Imho, setting everything to 200-250% is a mistake, i think only a few games "benefit" from overclocking (mslug2, maybe twinspri ? i don't know of any other game having severe slowdowns on original hardware), and i also prefer keeping the slowdowns of the original hardware (did you ever play the DC version of twinspri without the slowdowns ? It's f***ing hard xD, i'm wondering if the slowdowns weren't there on purpose).

I agree with you... moreover (IMHO) an emulated game should maintain all features of the original hardware/software (as far as possible), also the slowdowns, if present... ;)
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: Gab75 on May 08, 2019, 08:30:32 AM
I cant upload the 2 Savestates. A message says that the file is to big ... It is 4 MB

That's weird... the file size restriction should be of 10 Mbytes...  :S
Restrictions: maximum total size 10240KB, maximum individual size 10240KB

[EDIT]
I did some upload tests:
file of 9,73 MB (upload failed)
file of 6,82 MB (upload failed)
file of 4,32 MB (upload failed)
file of 3,01 MB (upload failed)
file of 1,95 MB (upload successful)

I guess that the actual size restriction for a single file is about 2 Mbytes.
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: dink on May 08, 2019, 08:55:43 AM
Trap15 rewrote the vblank code in Mslug2 which gives it a nice non-slowdown framerate, it's called "Metal Slug 2 Turbo" - no overclocking necessary :)


It might be related so i'll share the information : a few years ago someone reported an issue with aof3 (MVS), the issue was related to overclock and it wouldn't disappear when going back to 100% without also removing the related .fs file.
My point is that overclocking once can "corrupt" eeprom files, and it won't go back to normal if you simply set normal clock again.
Imho, setting everything to 200-250% is a mistake, i think only a few games "benefit" from overclocking (mslug2, maybe twinspri ? i don't know of any other game having severe slowdowns on original hardware), and i also prefer keeping the slowdowns of the original hardware (did you ever play the DC version of twinspri without the slowdowns ? It's f***ing hard xD, i'm wondering if the slowdowns weren't there on purpose).
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: dink on May 08, 2019, 09:00:21 AM
Fulg0re, for now, please rar or zip and upload the savestate to http://www.sendspace.com and paste the link.  I will try to see why attachment size is restricted - it shouldn't be.

I need you to do the test at 100% cpu, but also rename or delete neocdz.fs in config/games before running AOF 1.  This is the "Internal Memorycard"(eeprom) for NeoGeoCD, and it might be corrupted - as barbudreadmon says.  Make sure to save a backup of this file before deleting it because it has your game data in it.

best regards,
- dink
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: barbudreadmon on May 08, 2019, 12:13:51 PM
I guess that the actual size restriction for a single file is about 2 Mbytes.

Sorry about that, i didn't notice i had to set php's upload_max_filesize/post_max_size settings to 10M for this forum, it should be ok now.
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: Gab75 on May 08, 2019, 12:41:16 PM
Sorry about that, i didn't notice i had to set php's upload_max_filesize/post_max_size settings to 10M for this forum, it should be ok now.

Thanks! I tried to upload a file of 9.73 Mbytes (9968.83 kB) and all went well ! :)
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: Fulg0re on May 08, 2019, 02:22:13 PM
Here the Files :)
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: el_rika on May 08, 2019, 03:48:11 PM
Just a quiick question on the topic of overclocking. Could an "underclocking" option be added to Fba? Is it possible?  Mame has this option and if is useful for achieving closer to PCB levels of slowdown in some games (among others, cave shmups).
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: iq_132 on May 08, 2019, 04:27:05 PM
Just a quiick question on the topic of overclocking. Could an "underclocking" option be added to Fba? Is it possible?  Mame has this option and if is useful for achieving closer to PCB levels of slowdown in some games (among others, cave shmups).
FBA does have underclocking. Not all drivers support this. It is being worked on.
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: dink on May 08, 2019, 07:04:49 PM
Sorry about that, i didn't notice i had to set php's upload_max_filesize/post_max_size settings to 10M for this forum, it should be ok now.

Thanks :)
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: dink on May 08, 2019, 07:10:54 PM
Here the Files :)

I tried to load this state, but it won't work (it's stuck) :/
What is the filedate on your fba*.exe ?  are you using my debug exe or other exe?
Can you please tell me how to get to this piano level?  Maybe I can try ;)

Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: Fulg0re on May 09, 2019, 12:13:29 AM
Hi

I just use your last updated debug exe file from this
Forum. Can you try to use all my files on a seperat installed
CDZ? I mean put only my FBA Config my Aof Config and
my save state?

The Piano Stage is the Stage of King.
4 Character. I selected on 1st Bonus Round
Master Super Death Blow. 2nd Bonus Round
where game freeze I selected Chop Bottlenecks.
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: el_rika on May 09, 2019, 03:51:02 AM
FBA does have underclocking. Not all drivers support this. It is being worked on.

Didn't know that. Thank you!
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: dink on May 09, 2019, 07:48:14 AM
Ok, I got the state to work - some changes to code the other day I forgot about broke compatibility with other states. oops :)
I made some fireballs on King's Piano stage, they sound ok here (at 100% cpu) 
I also set cpu to 200% and loaded the 200% state, and sound is fine also.

Maybe input recording would help me better?  load game & state, then "game -> replay -> record input", press OK, and play game.  after it makes some bad sounds, "game -> replay -> stop replay"
then make a second recording for bonus game freeze?
note: this will make a recording file in fba\recordings

thank you!
- dink

Hi.

Today I played art of fighting 1.
There are some weird sound failure especially on
Kings piano stage when casting a fireball.
When choosing the bonus stage where you have to chop
the bottlenecks game freeze.
Title: Re: bug un FBA - NEO GEO CD
Post by: Carloaiii on June 27, 2019, 03:02:21 PM
Hi newton!

1) For a correct Neo Geo CD emulation you need to put neocdz.zip and neogeo.zip archives inside the ROMs folder.

2) You can try to install "DirectX End-User Runtimes (June 2010)" from the official Microsoft website: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=8109

Hello... i have both neocdz.zip and neogeo.zip archives inside the ROMs folder and keep the same problem. We need put NEOGEO CD ROMs in rar file? i cant play NEOGEO CD because this error... i do no what to do