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Offline lantus

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Capcom Home Arcade stick using FB Alpha Emulation
« on: April 16, 2019, 10:53:47 AM »
http://www.capcomhomearcade.com/home

Any comment on this FBA Team? Seems like capcom are using FB Alpha - isnt that against your liscense agreement?
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Capcom 'Home Arcade'
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2019, 11:13:00 AM »
http://capcomhomearcade.com/home

this is supposedly an official Capcom product.

It boasts on the page that they're using FB Alpha

FB Alpha is strictly non-commercial, since
a) it was non-commercial from the start
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b) it incorporates a lot of code from MAME that was under a non-commercial license at the time (and code retains the license from the version on which it was based)

what is your take on this?

the only way this can be legal is if FBA was fully rolled back to a version before any code from MAME was included (so plain old Final Burn, not FBA) and the original author changed the license, and even then there might be problematic code depending on what cores it uses for things (pretty sure things like the fm core from the period are strict non-commercial)

it's been pointed out to me that Barry is claiming he licensed it out however
https://twitter.com/fbalpha/status/1118201306034974721

but I'm wondering how exactly, unless it's been rewritten basically from scratch, Barry alone is not in a legal position to make that call as there is work from a LOT of other people in there and clearly even some of your own team members are unaware of this.

« Last Edit: April 16, 2019, 04:35:02 PM by Haze »
f*** this place.  Please delete my account here.

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Re: Capcom 'Home Arcade'
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2019, 11:15:19 AM »
thats what i'd like to know. My gut tells me capcom just lifted the source

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Re: Capcom Home Arcade stick using FB Alpha Emulation
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2019, 11:31:07 AM »
How do you play eco fighters with 1 stick + buttons ? :eek:

It definitely looks like a breach of license to me :
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- You may not sell, lease, rent or otherwise seek to gain monetary profit from FB Alpha;

Good luck sueing them though. Well, at least they mention using FB Alpha, i'm pretty sure their competitor do the same without mentioning it...

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Re: Capcom Home Arcade stick using FB Alpha Emulation
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2019, 11:35:20 AM »
That's probably why they say they have wifi, to download fba after the purchase.

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Re: Capcom Home Arcade stick using FB Alpha Emulation
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2019, 11:40:03 AM »
my take: that's awesome!!

Since they're selling their games and the joystick, it doesn't seem like a problem to me.

Did I mention that's awesome!  The fact that Capcom is even mentioning FBAlpha in the first place is super friggin' awesome!

We all "benefit" from Capcom games, they're great - simply put.  If someone creates a fuss over licensing, then all they'd have to do is have their unit connect to the net and download the fbalpha core (for example, when someone starts it for the first time), instead of shipping it with the unit.

did I mention - dude!! awesome!!!

The fact that they mention us at all..  holy shit!! awesome!! :D

best regards,
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Re: Capcom Home Arcade stick using FB Alpha Emulation
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2019, 11:53:28 AM »
While i somehow agree that it's awesome since they mentioned the project and the kit doesn't seem poorly made, be careful that they didn't butchered the emulator, the PS Classic wasn't a good advertizing for PCSX ReARMed.

@dink : check github, i sent some PR for a ngcd issue ;)

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Re: Capcom Home Arcade stick using FB Alpha Emulation
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2019, 12:05:00 PM »
This pile of junk also uses FBA code

https://www.amazon.com/Atari-Flashback-Classic-System-Games-2600/dp/B0111WVWHA

Not much you can do about it though.
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Re: Capcom Home Arcade stick using FB Alpha Emulation
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2019, 12:17:30 PM »

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Re: Capcom 'Home Arcade'
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2019, 12:23:38 PM »
My opinion is it's not legal at all for the reasons Haze listed above.

I've had success in getting rid of the paid FBA ports on Google and Apple app stores by sending a strongly worded email but I suspect this one is going to be harder.  However, this didn't stop the sh** NeoGeo X thing from a few years ago, they just ignored my emails. Still won't stop me emailing Koch media and capcom though, at least to see what they say.


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Re: Capcom 'Home Arcade'
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2019, 12:34:01 PM »
My opinion is it's not legal at all for the reasons Haze listed above.

I've had success in getting rid of the paid FBA ports on Google and Apple app stores by sending a strongly worded email but I suspect this one is going to be harder.  However, this didn't stop the sh** NeoGeo X thing from a few years ago, they just ignored my emails. Still won't stop me emailing Koch media and capcom though, at least to see what they say.

thats a shame. I suspect they may be selling a box with buttons and a stick and the Wifi is used to download a copy of the emulator as a way to dance around the license issue.

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Re: Capcom 'Home Arcade'
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2019, 02:26:16 PM »
I will definitely buy me that stick but i will open it and throw the built in junk away.
I will put in 2x DIY Kits hub them and built me just a 2 Player Arcade Board for my Arcade EMU PC ... done;)

Yeah ... thats the way aha aha i like it ...

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Re: Capcom Home Arcade stick using FB Alpha Emulation
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2019, 04:11:55 PM »
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The 16 pre-installed games are from the original Capcom CPS1 and CPS2 arcade ROMs with emulation provided by FB Alpha, delivering an authentic & accurate arcade experience exclusively for the Capcom Home Arcade.

Damn, for all this time you guys have been working on FBA to deliver an arcade experience exclusively for the Capcom Home Arcade. You've been playing the long game, keeping that secret safe for so long.

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Re: Capcom 'Home Arcade'
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2019, 07:01:51 PM »
I will definitely buy me that stick but i will open it and throw the built in junk away.
I will put in 2x DIY Kits hub them and built me just a 2 Player Arcade Board for my Arcade EMU PC ... done;)

Yeah ... thats the way aha aha i like it ...

Hahaha yes, I like that idea :)

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Re: Capcom Home Arcade stick using FB Alpha Emulation
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2019, 10:02:48 PM »
edit:the info in this message is apparently wrong.  keep reading down the thread for newer findings....
« Last Edit: April 17, 2019, 12:35:08 AM by dink »